Comments on: Crimes against HTML: Best practise and the CMS

By: Olly

Olly — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:26:19 +0000

No, this is altogether more advanced. This one supports CSS, but your front-end styling bleeds over into the admin interface and causes havoc back there :D

By: D

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:39:41 +0000

That’s not Web500 is it? That was the first .net CMS we looked at several years ago. Promised of ‘Oh yea, this supports CSS’ turned out to actually mean ‘sure, you can change the font with an inline style on an element nested a dozen tables deep’ *sigh*

By: James Chen

James Chen — Mon, 09 Apr 2007 03:52:50 +0000

I think so.

By: Olly

Olly — Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:18:56 +0000

I think you already know.

By: grant

grant — Sat, 04 Nov 2006 22:24:59 +0000

Should I try and guess who’s site it is?

By: Caz Mockett

Caz Mockett — Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:56:07 +0000

Gah! That’s horrible.

I get very frustrated when I’ve handed over nicely-semantic and standards-compliant templates to the developers and they go marching over them with their table-based hobnail boots.

The few folks I have managed to try to educate, seem to be “getting it” (finally!) and all of a sudden, you can see the lightbulb go on above their head - “oh, yeah, and it’s easier too!”

I’m about to get my fingers dirty with .Net Nuke - but I know this pumps out some fairly lardy tabled-up crap. Hopefully it’s configurable enough to be able to tell it to use a list instead of nested rows of a table… we’ll see.

You may well hear me ranting about it over at my blog in due course.

By: matt

matt — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:08:32 +0000

MySpace was bunged together and was never supposed to be all that popular.. the creators must be pinching themselves (probably with gold plated fingers)

By: Gareth Rushgrove

Gareth Rushgrove — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:09:28 +0000

I’m playing with a proper Gartner Enterprise CMS at the moment as well and, although the admin system has similar problems, it is a proper CMS, ie. it manages content and leaves rendering up to you.

This always winds me up about so called CMS systems, when they mix the management of the content with the rendering and end up as more of a portal builder.

By: Olly

Olly — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:13:54 +0000

I think MySpace is a lost cause.

Besides, it’s not just laziness, it’s lack of knowledge. They just don’t know any better.

By: Simon

Simon — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:25:49 +0000

Can you have a word with the dude who made myspace as well. I’ve done CSS for that with about 6 or 7 td’s in a row etc… its a complete mess. People are just lazy I guess.

By: Weon

Weon — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:00:14 +0000

I think Mr Coote has been using that for a while - he certainly was raving about it.

By: Olly

Olly — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:58:25 +0000

Maybe you’re not, but at least you “get it”. These guys have no idea at all.

As if by magic, a new set of .net web controls have just been released and appear to do a much better job. They’re not perfect (e.g. the tree view has some silly alt attributes and the dreaded href="javascript:__doPostBack) but they’re a vast improvement over what we’ve got here.

Alas they’re only for net2.0. I guess you can’t have everything.

By: Weon

Weon — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:17:04 +0000

Ha ha ha ha! I know I’m not as much of a standardista as you are but that makes me cringe.

That story about Legal & General is great - it’ll be dead handy when trying to convince clients of the benefits of building proper sites.

By: matt

matt — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:40:23 +0000

It’s easier for the Programming geeks to add ajax to the system than for them to learn that using tables etc is utterly shite, and to be honest most of the coding will be done by programmers that only really know how to bodge together webpages in the table stylee.

I find I hand off a design to someone else, all nice and properly (kinda) tagged up and when I see it next all these funny little TDs and TR’s have appeared, usually inside more tables and assorted soup.

I know!! Let’s just to everything in JPGs :) wikid!